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Ken and I fantasize about replacing actors in great films with our own - dead or alive. A movie quiz trivia game with unexpected results. I throw out 10 flicks to Ken to see if they need to go to his queue or not. Actors who look eerily alike or who exude the other. On-the-spot actor impersonations.
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Okay, fellow moviegoers. So here we go. We're launching this thing and here's our first episode really excited because the guests that I have are those are not just family and friends, but I can talk hours on end with them without completely digressing off the topic. We can pick a movie dissected to death, or we can just legally talk about it. So here we go all two or three listeners to this movie podcast. Welcome fellow movie goers and I'm really excited because Ken Tabacchi is more than just a friend. He's a fellow sunniest. I mean, he has encyclopedic knowledge, and he sees movies not just for what they are, but for how they make us feel. He's a software engineer. He has a master's in electrical engineering from the University of Michigan. And when it comes to Stanley Kubrick, his knowledge is endless. Ken and I have similarities outside of film. We have Chinese wives used to live in Hong Kong, even though I'm still here, and we live in love Orange County, California. So he's into powerlifting. And I believe even got his wife into it as well or Lightly Twisted her arm to do it. So love his garage setup at home. I'm really inspired. Can't wait to come back to the US. So, and away we go. Episode One. Let's begin. Oh Ken, welcome to the show, man.
Ken Tabacchi :Hey, Mike. Good to be here.
Michael Green :And thank you for your generous offering of time, you're busy man. And we actually have done a few recordings. And that just didn't turn out right. But we're still probably going to try to use those for future episodes. But now we got all the technical part. down and sounds good and believe it or not, we are Socially distance I can.
Ken Tabacchi :So this is going to be our A list material?
Michael Green :Yes. And this is going to be a grab bag. So we're going to include material that and segments that are going to be not included in every episode. So if you guys like it or don't like it, let us know. We'll include it or not included for future episodes. So on with the first segment, Ken, I'm pretty excited about this one. And Ken, I like this one, because your choices, one in particular, was just and is completely amazing, just pure genius, and the segments called the actor shuffle. And what I did is I came up with three actors, or I named three movies and I like Ken, to replace those actors with actors he think would be suitable that are alive doesn't matter today, you know, when they're a certain age, and then Ken has three for me. So why don't we alternate and you go first.
Ken Tabacchi :My first choice for you is Ryan O'Neil in Barry Lyndon.
Michael Green :And my choice for Ryan O'Neill's replacement is Robert Redford of the age. Redford exudes likeable, I guess innocence, but he can also play conceited as well. So I thought that that might end up being a good fit. You know, I would have liked to have seen
Ken Tabacchi :Malcolm McDowell. Oh yeah. You know, O'Neil's criticized for his flat performance. We've talked about this maybe not in recorded format and how that was the point that he was flat you know, then it shows it makes the his fall from grace that much that much worse covert being the taskmaster he is, I hate to second guess, Kubrick. Right. But I think, yeah, Malcolm McDowell, why not sure. Hey, okay. And for you. You chose it
Michael Green :can do replace Tim Robbins character of Andy Dufresne in Shawshank Redemption, and it can pick pick I'm gonna go with Tom Hanks Tom Hanks. And let's see 1994 fresh off of Forrest Gump. This would have been an interesting choice can but you know I will say this though. There are shades of Andy do frame and the Green Mile very very light shades
Ken Tabacchi :yeah comedic actors tend to they just have such a lot of times there's they turn out to be very good dramatic actors and of course and obviously in Tom Hanks case so I think you handled it. You nailed it. Philadelphia, he just shows it's the the range of him he could totally done it and I can't see anybody else in that role. You know, I asked the same question of Sean. And by the way, Shawn is going to be a co host as well for a future episode. is Shawn to replace
Michael Green :The same one, and he couldn't think of. And mind you, I didn't have him prepare. I just asked him on the spot. He was like, I just can't do it.
Ken Tabacchi :Yeah, it's a tough one. I think I probably had to think about it for a while when I was preparing these notes, but Tom Hanks Good choice, my friend. okay for me. Oh, my second actor for you is going to be Naomi Watts in Mulholland Drive David Lynch movie
Michael Green :without me googling anything. Just off the top of my mind or memory? Was that her debut? No, she was also in. Well, these are follow on Lynch movies, because I gotta say, I don't think so beforehand. Sure. And this is this is I'm giving her credit as an actress because she was so fresh faced in that and the character itself was playing fresh faced and, you know, ambitious in Hollywood and very likeable. I had never seen her before unless she's a chameleon and she popped up something somewhere else. But I chose to Leoni because she's actually one That I've kept my eye on for being quite versatile and actually not being afraid to mess up her mascara with tears aplenty, so I thought that'd be a good choice.
Ken Tabacchi :Was she in like there was like a jingle, "Tea Leoni".
Michael Green :I haven't heard of that for some
Ken Tabacchi :for some TVs, spots she was in and I have to look it up now.
Michael Green :But she stood out to me in Spanglish with Adam Sandler.
Ken Tabacchi :Okay. I mean, that's those are big shoes to fill. So anyone you say there's props to them, because I didn't think you were gonna be able to come up with something.
Michael Green :No, it wasn't easy. I just had to think about it for a while. I'm not necessarily a blonde but if it was a brunette that just color a hair blonde because I think the character needs to be blonde. But yeah, difficult roll
Ken Tabacchi :hands down my favorite Lynch movie
Michael Green :which was funny because the production itself was supposed to be geared for television, and he said he kind of threw it in their face and said it will FU Look what I'm going to do. Gonna add a gratuitous lesbian scene, and I'm gonna make this into a theatrical hit.
Ken Tabacchi :I feel like it's it was a it's kind of a second attempt at last highway I love last highway but Mulholland Drive just hits it right out of the park.
Michael Green :I agree my friend, indeed. Okay, for you number two is can too. Replace Malcolm McDowell in Clockwork Orange and you picked
Ken Tabacchi :Joaquin Phoenix. Yep.
Michael Green :Now this I think, Okay, I gotta ask is this based on his body of work because of his recent Joker or because of his overall versatility?
Ken Tabacchi :Yeah. Both both. So the latter to the Joker. The Joker definitely helped.
Michael Green :Did you see the master?
Ken Tabacchi :No.
Michael Green :Wow. I can't even call it a performance. I haven't seen anything like that in a long time.
Ken Tabacchi :The guy's great. Why does he get a lot of hate? To jealousy?
Michael Green :He's edgy. Any pulled that stunt on Letterman, whichever one criticized but he apologized for it later.
Ken Tabacchi :What was that?
Michael Green :He was he went behind the producers back of the movie. He was filming at the time, and I can't remember the name of it, but he, he was in character as that character. He didn't prepare Letterman for that. And he didn't tell the producers of the film. And it just didn't work out. Right. He looked like he was playing himself and he was on drugs.
Ken Tabacchi :Well, not everything can work.
Michael Green :But he apologized for you know, I mean, what are you gonna do? Good choice. Good. I like that.
Ken Tabacchi :Although I wouldn't put him in Barry Lyndon. I would put him in Clockwork Orange.
Michael Green :Sure. Is it me or did Malcolm McDowell just age ultra rapidly? Like he was 27 and Clockwork Orange.
Ken Tabacchi :He was old already. He was he was playing a 17, what a 10 years younger
Michael Green :Oh was it 17?
Ken Tabacchi :In the novel it was
Michael Green :and in time after time, which was what 10 years later, clock was was 70 right? No, no 70, 71 time after time with David Warner, he looks super old.
Ken Tabacchi :Really? Yeah. I need to see the movie If, which is why he got the roll of Clockwork Orange.
Michael Green :Very interesting. Okay, third one for me. Ken asked me about Daniel Day Lewis. And there will be blood. And I gotta tell you, as soon as I saw this pop up on the outline, I went and I watched. There Will Be Blood. Yes, just three days ago, right. And I just got there's something out there. Okay. Before I talk about my choice. Did you notice the scene when the guy who was putting on the act of being his brother, what he said? He said, I'm a brother from another mother. I think that was an in joke.
Ken Tabacchi :Oh, how so?
Michael Green :just that line alone. It's like, these days even at that time, they didn't talk that way. But I'm wondering if no, no,
Ken Tabacchi :it's such a period piece like the dialogue meticularly researched and same with Robert Eggers. This just period dialogue. Perfect. He's like you just transported back to that time that place.
Michael Green :Do you think he has one up on M Night Shyamalan with period writing?
Ken Tabacchi :Yes.
Michael Green :Because the village just threw me for a loop. Didn't get it to this day still don't.
Ken Tabacchi :He comes across as cheesy to me.
Michael Green :Okay, so I jeff bridges and for the same at the same time period, Jeff Bridges was about 52, 53. At the time, I think Daniel Day Lewis was like 49, 48. jeff bridges can jump into one roll after another roll with ease. But people they just often forget about his performance and Starman. You know, nobody talks about Starman in 1985 which proved he was an accomplished actor.
Ken Tabacchi :Is he also like a method actor?
Michael Green :I never saw him as a method actor. was like, William Hurt Yes
Ken Tabacchi :like Day Lewis. He becomes not he becomes that character, not only on the screen for the duration of the movie, you know, he doesn't he never comes out of character. No,
Michael Green :no. And I'll hold myself back from doing an impersonation of Daniel de Plainview. I mean, Daniel Plainview. Excuse me.
Ken Tabacchi :Come on, come on. Come on.
Michael Green :If I drink your milkshake, I drink it up.
Ken Tabacchi :Stop crying you sniveling ass. And the guy the guy. This is his anti character. Oh, who played the two different roles? He was pretty good.
Michael Green :Yeah. And then I think, what's his name? Who played the young Beach Boys? I'm Brian Wilson and love and mercy. forgot his name, but he was great, Eli. Oh, great performance. Kind of understated.
Ken Tabacchi :One of my favorite movies.
Michael Green :It's just so from beginning to end, right? The score. It doesn't insinuate anything but it insinuates what you want to feel In that same what repeats upcoming it doesn't tell you that, you know it doesn't get all discordant and and tell you how to feel. Yes, it's creepy and it works and his performance is it's unforgettable. So that's why Jeff Bridges if there's anyone that can do it possibly is Jeff Bridges.
Ken Tabacchi :Do you prefer his role in there will be blood or gangs of New York?
Michael Green :There Will Be Blood all the way. Yeah, I thought he was too Winky, wink wink and a little bit.
Ken Tabacchi :And gangs in New York and then watch him play Lincoln. Watch him create the voice of Lincoln, for which we have no, we have no record of what he sounded like. And he's Lincoln.
Michael Green :Yeah, great performance I saw on the plane a couple years ago.
Ken Tabacchi :Hands down I think we talked about it in the other episode one of my What do you have to come up with our favorite actors are some my my list he was on the list.
Michael Green :Yeah, but he you know, did you see And this is not going off topic, but did you see bad times at the El Royale? No. Oh, okay, slightly above mediocre movie. But jeff bridges and that movie just makes it into just an amazing powerhouse of a movie. No one else in that film. But Jeff Bridges.
Ken Tabacchi :Yeah, good range of an actor. He just
Michael Green :plays it perfectly. So, but that's a hard one, Ken. Good, good one because I can't, you know, I would say maybe second William herb, but maybe, maybe not quite. So I was leaning more towards differences.
Ken Tabacchi :And then you had a third one for me.
Michael Green :I asked Ken if he can replace the late great, john cazale. Am I saying that right? Because earlier because because Ellie
Ken Tabacchi :cuz I was Ellie. And I'm gonna mispronounce my choices name.
Michael Green :And I gotta say, Ken, this is my favorite choice of yours.
Ken Tabacchi :This was hard and it's almost It was almost a step in the dark and like, how do you Find someone great actor Does, does a great job yet plays such a weak character, you know and guy with a chip on his shoulder and wants to be more than what he is and just ends up being a weak douche.
Michael Green :And not to caricature, not not a cardboard cutout.
Ken Tabacchi :The best I could come up with was the Buscemi.
Michael Green :And that's just apps. I think you're pronouncing it right. shaming, shaming, scammy shaming,
Ken Tabacchi :Buscemi, but you didn't get to tell us tell someone how to pronounce his name.
Michael Green :Oh, my.
Ken Tabacchi :I've been pronouncing My name wrong
Michael Green :all this time. But that is such a good choice. I didn't even think of it. I mean, Cazelle was like, What? Late 30s 1971 1972.
Ken Tabacchi :I think it's because of a Sopranos thing. his stint on the sopranos that I thought he okay he can be he can be a douchey gangster he doesn't
Michael Green :lay on the mafioso stuff too thick. I never thought he did. Even in Sopranos I didn't get that impression. He's
Ken Tabacchi :like the outsider, right? Sort of outsider looking in he's all skinny. Cazelle was a little more handsome. Yeah, that's the only that was that was my only problem was Buscemi.
Michael Green :Sure. And I Great job. That was a tough one. That was a very tough one. Not my favorite choice of these three. Tom Hanks is good too but Steve Buscemi Oh, no one else because Cazelle, come on who? Even today dead or alive who just can't. Yeah,
Ken Tabacchi :that was a good one.
Michael Green :All right, I'm looking forward to this next one is called quiz cart. I'll have a little musical jingle for that. And I'm looking forward to this because I kind of customize it. And the option is folks for this is that Ken or myself can Have the choices read out which are four or not we get more points if we don't get over we don't require the choices and if we just know the answer so let's alternate I'll go first.
Ken Tabacchi :I'm ready. Now Now last time we did this, you kind of went easy on me and I went hard on you. So I and this time I went easier on you uptown.
Michael Green :So I got an open ended one with with with Gary Oldman, which I thought was nice.
Ken Tabacchi :I wanted to nod to your to your Gary Oldman fandom,
Michael Green :and then we're gonna probably add that for another episode. But you're asking, you know, comedians turn good dramatic actors. I pick john Goodman. Of course Tom Hanks. Okay, can number one, which Russian novelists wrote the book on which Lolita was based
Ken Tabacchi :Nabokov
Michael Green :Can you say the full name
Ken Tabacchi :Alexei Nobokov?
Michael Green :Vladimir, Nabakov, but I'll still give it to you. And then I'll go for getting that right. Okay, your turn. My turn. Okay.
Ken Tabacchi :I don't know why I wrote this in jeopardy format.
Michael Green :But, and that's two points bear with me.
Ken Tabacchi :This 1996 crime drama stars Dustin Hoffman, Robert De Niro and Minnie Driver
Michael Green :1996 not sleepers. They were both in that but not Minnie Driver. Wait. Dustin Hoffman? Wait, is it sleepers? Yes. I don't remember her like movie. Okay, final answer, sleepers.
Ken Tabacchi :sleepers. So I was gonna give you a True Romance A Bronx tale sleepers and Donnie Brasco.
Michael Green :Two points for me. Okay, next one. Which movie has this line and yet, on the day he died. Thousands and thousands died in his place. Spartacus Oh, nice one. Was that your? Peter Ustinov? That was my newsreel voice. My wannabe newsreel voice
Ken Tabacchi :gave it away with the boys. Oh, yeah, we had an inflected lifestyle would have gotten it
Michael Green :I'll include a Peter Ustinov impersonation on a future episode. You got to do your impersonations. Okay. Second question for you, Mike. This Stanley Kubrick movie is not based on a novel or short story. That would be killers kiss.
Ken Tabacchi :Ding, ding, ding, ding. Good job. Good. Why is that? So that one, you know, not my favorite Kubrick movie and it was he wrote the script. And it just felt like it was it just abruptly ended. It's like, where's this going? It's like, it's kind of like random The budget inside okay? Suddenly it ends suddenly cue the Yeah, cue the title. And it was a second movie. We're not gonna talk about your desire. We don't consider that a Kubrick movie even though he directed it. So Killer's Kiss is kind of his first You know, when it wasn't just some guy with a handheld in a you know for us and then he hit on the formula with the killing that you base it off of a work of fiction a novel. Right? Right. And then every movie after that was based on something, except for 2001 which the novel was co written that I didn't, not including that because it's kind of
Michael Green :did you see Rodney Dangerfield was in that one? cameo?
Ken Tabacchi :The Killing that was a killer. He made his debut in the killing as an extra
Michael Green :go plus.
Ken Tabacchi :And it so getting the respect. So he went from a serious role to a comedic role right?
Michael Green :I mean wasn't an extra no lines right just
Ken Tabacchi :an extra is just there's one scene like when they're in the racetrack and there's always onlookers when there's gonna be there's a fight. They stayed to fight in order to distract people so they can get back to the the room where the money is held. And he's one of the gawkers he's in the back. He's like really tall. And someone pointed that out. And he's like, Yeah, that looks and I'm not sure if he was credited or in in the movie or not, might not be but if you look at Sam it's obviously him.
Michael Green :Well, that is one per IMDb. look that up. And you know, can you ask me on other recording that we did about comedians? Turn traumatic hackers, I mentioned Rodney Dangerfield only because of his buzzy performance and Natural Born Killers. And it was like completely deviated from the normal Ronnie that we know. Mm hmm. Okay, we are tied. Next one who plays the team teenage daughter of the costume shop owner and Eyes Wide Shut. Good question. Um Ah, if you want choices,
Ken Tabacchi :it's a fun it's a it's a weird it's a funny name. It's an interesting name. It's a unique name. I'm gonna have to read the choices and then once I see it, I'll know
Michael Green :Mila Kunis Emily Blunt Lily Sobieski, or Alicia Cuthbert.
Ken Tabacchi :Levy Sobieski. Okay. My turn. I'm gonna have to go me on you now. All right, this Japanese director remade one of his own movies.
Michael Green :That would be
Ken Tabacchi :Akira Kurosawa. And
Michael Green :I should have went for the choices.
Ken Tabacchi :I just got a zero. I know I'll give you the choices.
Unknown Speaker :Kurosawa
Ken Tabacchi :Yasujiro Zoo Kenji Mizoguchi.
Michael Green :Koji welcome. I know Jose directed Tokyo story
Ken Tabacchi :and the hint is Floating Weeds.
Michael Green :Oh and Floating Weeds. Okay, are you gonna give me Grace? Do I get a zero or
Ken Tabacchi :one? I'm gonna give you a one. No, I
Michael Green :get I'll take the zero Ken. I deserve that. I should have asked for the choices can look what I did there. All right, here we go, Ken. I'm looking forward to this one I am. I'm doing the Mr. Burns gesture with my hands right now. Anthony Hopkins said he created which characters voice by mixing Truman Capote Katharine Hepburn and Hal 9000.
Ken Tabacchi :Yeah, give me the choices.
Michael Green :Dracula. Charlie Chaplin. Elephant Man, Hannibal Lecter.
Ken Tabacchi :When you say Elephant Man, you mean the doctor from Elephant Man. Right? Not john hurts character.
Unknown Speaker :Right.
Ken Tabacchi :obvious choice would be Hannibal Lecter. But I feel like that's a red herring. So let's say
Michael Green :you're right. No, it is Hannibal Lecter. So what I meant to do was and I circled the wrong one that is Hannibal Lecter, and I'll spare you a Hannibal Lecter impersonation. So my turn was that three questions three, your turn. This will be number four. Ken, isn't before for you.
Ken Tabacchi :This movie script is inspired by a story from the Tibetan Book of the
Michael Green :Dead. This movie script is inspired by the Tibetan Book of the
Ken Tabacchi :Maya story from the Tibetan Book is pretty obscure.
Michael Green :I don't get any year, huh?
Ken Tabacchi :2000 and something I've taught my hand without looking at look at the dead.
Michael Green :Can you repeat it one more time, please. This movie script
Ken Tabacchi :is inspired by a story from the Tibetan Book of the Dead. You could say based on but I believe there's more to the Book of the Dead than just this part of it. That part of the Tibetan Book of the Dead was a huge initiative. For this movie script Wow,
Michael Green :that's a good one. Okay, I'll make choices.
Ken Tabacchi :Once I read it I think you'll know enter the void Tokyo story Aikido for well my concubine.
Michael Green :That would be
Ken Tabacchi :my Floyd. Tokyo story. Aikido Kurosawa's Aikido Farewell my concubine was the fourth
Michael Green :into the boy. Yep, thinking that's fun for me, because I needed choices. What was the first film to be released and multi channel stereo sound called fantas out?
Ken Tabacchi :Was it 2001
Michael Green :I didn't even read it. Joyce's who directed the 1959 films, Some Like It Hot with the imitable jack Lemmon
Unknown Speaker :59. It's a total Yes.
Ken Tabacchi :The choices will probably help you
Michael Green :Howard Hawks, Lew Wallace, Billy Wilder, Mel Brooks. Billy Wilder, you got it.
Unknown Speaker :And that's a one for Ken and Ken has one more for me. You only need two choices.
Ken Tabacchi :This blacklisted Hollywood writer wrote the screenplay for Kubrick's film Spartacus.
Michael Green :Oh, that would be he had to give me like 10 seconds. Hold on. Don't tremble.
Unknown Speaker :Yep. That's two jobs.
Unknown Speaker :And can you have two four or 567? I have to or tie can.
Ken Tabacchi :Your timer. I didn't come up. I only have five questions. I didn't come up with an unknown.
Michael Green :It could be a like an Academy Award question like you did with Gary Oldman.
Ken Tabacchi :No, I don't think we can because I'll just something get something that you could never answer and then it will be unfair. Let's call it
Unknown Speaker :Ding, ding, ding. That was fun.
Michael Green :You're ringing my bell. Okay. That was fun. Okay, next segment is called the actor actors retrograde. And what I'm going to do is I'm going to introduce or name a few actors that have retreated from Hollywood, whether intentional or not. And of course, we're not going to mention actors who have retired like Gene Hackman and jack nicholson, for example. And also TV spots, be movies, hosting gigs, and guest spots on TV do not count during their silver screen hiatus. So let's alternate where this can all go first. And I'll mention Jason Patrick.
Ken Tabacchi :Who can who who's who was in was in Tucson. No,
Michael Green :he wasn't sleepers. Since we just talked about that. He wasn't sleepers. He was in New York, Cal and forgot this First Name Kellyanne directed that. And you may remember him very well from last bores with keeper keeper, so we just fell out of favor. What's the reason? Well, he didn't fall off the planet but he went from making like thrillers like narc and sleepers to borderline B movie fair, which is, you know, kind of like Steven Seagal and Tom Sizemore territory, except for one movie that came out in 2017. A couple years ago yellow birds, which was mediocre at best he's taken more than a few steps back so that's surprising because he was a he's quite the accomplished actor.
Ken Tabacchi :Okay. you'd like me to go I'm gonna call it audible. So it's not what I'm not gonna read what's in the show notes. But then and I don't think we can say Daniel Day Lewis because you said he's he says he's retired, although I don't believe it. I'd love if he didn't
Michael Green :retire. Because he didn't he said Didn't he say he was After Lincoln that he would he would come out of retirement or that he would retire would retire and then Phantom thread came out
Ken Tabacchi :that'll be great then the Lewis but who I was wanting to talk about was you know, this guy can't really be forgiven for what he did if it's true and you know he doesn't deserve our praise or fandom. However, I will miss Kevin Spacey his exchange with Jeremy Irons in margin call was
Michael Green :epic. Can we are somehow on the same wavelength 100% No, because I saw margin call Do you
Ken Tabacchi :understand? Do you
Michael Green :understand I saw margin call for the third time a week ago. And I I think I saw it on your on your favorites.
Ken Tabacchi :Oh, okay. And then inspired me to watch it.
Michael Green :And then I saw that scene. I watched the scene in the movie. I didn't just go straight to the same but then everyone on the scene and I watched it again. That whole exchange says priceless.
Ken Tabacchi :I've been in those kind of meetings and I would just been wonderful to say expect to be in play and getting those Do you understand? Oh, and then, you know, he, he no pun intended, but he just screwed a bunch of people over, you know, that the whole house of cards was, was just flying, it was so popular, and they just, they cancelled it immediately. And all those people are out of work. But he's, you know, he's performance in the usual suspects.
Michael Green :Just amazing. And they weren't too similar to each other. You know, he was kind of at the beginning with the usual suspects. And then seven was that same year, characters are kind of similar. And I thought this guy was going to be typecast and then and then he made midnight, the garden of good and evil, and I'm like, Wow,
Ken Tabacchi :it really literally was a house of cards, though. Someone looks I'm gonna come along I mean it's not like there's only can only be one Kevin Spacey but yeah, I'll miss him. I don't think he should come back.
Michael Green :Well, no one can get that Alabama boy accent right? It's unfortunate but you know his body of work I don't
Ken Tabacchi :it doesn't distract it doesn't detract from his body of work you have to still it was easy to separate the person's politics and their personal life and
Michael Green :I got to watch seven and I said oh well Kevin Spacey you know or someone else will say oh Kevin Spacey and see the performance for what it is and how it impacted people. Yeah. Okay, so does that mean you're canceling michael richards or Danny Lloyd Are you just adding one I'm gonna I'm gonna take Danny Lloyd out I guess because I have some interesting things to say so maybe I'll just touch up
Ken Tabacchi :all Yeah, because we could you know Michael Richards is the kind of the same thing he something he said or did ruin himself where Danny Lloyd is different. So I could we could talk we could do that all because I was just gonna say I think that racist rant During his standard routine did him in. He made he made some bad he, he tried to. He made some bad choices. He tried to say that, oh, he was trying to diffuse it by just going ultra, ultra crazy. And then it would be obvious that he didn't mean it. But he just made a really bad choice. You can't You can't walk that back. I don't care how much you claim that it was comedy.
Michael Green :But I'm glad you mentioned it can because I wanted to comment how you know politics aside, this goes back to the days on happy days with with Henry Winkler or casting directors just couldn't see the Fonz being anyone other than Fonz. And the same with Kramer's character or with Michael Richards character.
Ken Tabacchi :Jason Alexander Louie Louie Dreyfus. They're all tap their typecast for like the exception of
Michael Green :hurt. I understand she has her own show. I forgot the title. She's doing Well, she's making a small comeback. I feel that had that not happened. And I forgot what year it happened that, you know, he would be putting in small guest roles on TV shows, for sure.
Ken Tabacchi :I mean, he was he would have been the guy that I said, Oh comedic actors who've gone serious and nailed it. I truly believe that.
Michael Green :Oh, we must be careful what we say and do. And to be fair, I think that um, you know, I forgot the comment that was mentioned, you know, but no matter what comment is made, you're a comedian and you really have to learn how to deflect that so I don't think he was under any influence and I think he just lost his marbles momentarily.
Ken Tabacchi :thin skin. That too.
Michael Green :Okay, can so I chose Nicolas Cage and, you know, this is kind of this is probably something that's easy to poke fun at because it's Nicolas Cage. I mean, Stacy makes fun of them all the time, because When she's scrolling through Netflix, all of the artwork for each film is all B movie stuff with him holding a gun and wearing sunglasses. He took a complete U turn though, and from Indy fair to raising Arizona which is one of my favorite performances, Leaving Las Vegas directed by Mike Vegas, the big budget fair like the rock on air face off and then two sunglass clad tough guy with a three day beard holding holding a gun you know just really saddens me to see that he's relegated mine is that money he was buying like islands and paintings and I think he has some debt but you know, I miss seen his performances. I really liked seeing him in Michael Bay films and in some indie movies.
Ken Tabacchi :So you make a movie like that for money and then it tanks and then that's, you know, that's killer for your career. I don't think
Michael Green :it was that to be Fair, although he is getting handouts from like Oliver Stone, Oliver Stone cast him in. And it was a small roll. And I'm like Nick Cage like the $20 million payday, Nick Cage wouldn't have accepted that role. So I'll just jump into it again. You mentioned Danny Lloyd. And, you know, I'm glad you mentioned this because he's one of those actors, or one of those actors who just didn't quite make it into teenage and adult roles for
Ken Tabacchi :the child actor story. Exactly.
Michael Green :You know, it's cliche and reasons unknown, perhaps because of parents or because the pressure is experienced on the set of the shining, but I don't think
Ken Tabacchi :he wasn't I don't think he was exposed to the pressures in the shining. coober shielded him from that. Yeah. I mean, the fact that they actually put a mannequin at the scene where Shelley Duvall is yelling at jack nicholson, blaming him for hurting Danny. When it gets to the yelling. It's a mannequin and you pick it up and she's carrying a mannequin Because Danny wasn't on set that day because he would have seen them yell,
Michael Green :and good on Cooper for that.
Ken Tabacchi :Yeah, for sure. But, um, another thing was, I don't know if you mentioned that or if I read it somewhere, but maybe you said Danny's flat performance, it kind of emotionless performance. He was cast in that role, because he's a child of trauma. He's a child abuse. And so he's just kind of flat and repressed emotions.
Michael Green :Yeah. It's a very convincing performance. And I always give kudos to directors having to direct children, especially in when children are in peril. So it's just very admirable for him to have done that and cubic cubic did it with Yeah,
Ken Tabacchi :he made it look easy. You know, he's
Michael Green :on a side note, he's a well not really So nobody's a professor of biology at a community college at Elizabeth, Kentucky. You know, so career choice could have been that you know, and
Ken Tabacchi :well it says Is it your aspiration when you're older z seven habit
Michael Green :thereafter? You know,
Ken Tabacchi :is that your aspiration when you're seven or is it just something your parents kind of pushed on you? It's like we're gonna go do this movie.
Michael Green :Okay, cool. Maybe in chemistry, eight years later, but you know, like, like Christian Bale,
Ken Tabacchi :he will always be remembered for that performance.
Michael Green :Yeah. A Christian Bale got lucky because he's one of the few Mickey Rooney probably been the first to succeed in Hollywood long after childhood rules.
Ken Tabacchi :Right? It's a good example.
Michael Green :And I mean, long after and, you know, Christian Bale and Empire the sun right at that period where like, he's growing up, you know, he's getting taller,
Ken Tabacchi :awkward, adolescent stage. That was Macaulay Culkin. What's the boy who played in was in the sixth sense?
Michael Green :Haley Joel Osment? Yeah,
Ken Tabacchi :yeah, yeah.
Michael Green :Yeah, he looks like a normal guy doesn't look like an actor.
Ken Tabacchi :Upon intended child actors don't age well,
Michael Green :but hats off to him for not, you know, trying to be all studly looking at us there. Okay. Ken Well, my next step is interchangeable actors. And I'm just gonna introduce as because and start off with my choices because I, I'd say, five, six years ago when I started to see these big performances or because I don't watch much TV, especially sitcoms. But when a good show, our series comes about, like homeland or something, and it engrosses me, I'll take note of an actor and the first time I noticed Nick Offerman was in Fargo, the series I hadn't seen Parks and Rec and more on the small screen front but when he does pop up in films and has a beard, I think it's Zach Galifianakis. No
Ken Tabacchi :God You're so right. spitting like you see jack elephant Africa Atticus Galifianakis and you knew I saw this in your notes and then I googled you know I want to see what it looks like now it is oh my god you're right
Michael Green :because I was like oh yeah that the beard you know both of them and there's also the the the artistic Hungary to from both performers are good performers. There's not so much Nick Offerman on the dramatic front but now that I do know it's indeed Galifianakis when he's clean shaven,
Ken Tabacchi :they should do like a special together.
Michael Green :They should. Well, you know, he, you know, he has his own YouTube channel.
Ken Tabacchi :They impersonate each other.
Michael Green :Oh, you have to see Zach Alvin because he had President Obama on there. Oh my god. Did you? Yeah, between two ferns. Yeah. It's so it's raucous I the things he says. Cuz I can't believe it.
Ken Tabacchi :Bruce Willis didn't he? Didn't Bruce Willis punch him or something.
Michael Green :Bruce Willis is notorious for his anger too, and
Ken Tabacchi :he just poked the bear continually bulky.
Michael Green :Brad Pitt had his hand over his mouth try not to laugh.
Ken Tabacchi :Ah, he had he had Hillary Clinton on.
Unknown Speaker :Yeah.
Ken Tabacchi :Comic comedy gold. So cringy you just feel also uncomfortable watching him. make us feel so uncomfortable.
Michael Green :Right Right from the start.
Ken Tabacchi :No shame.
Michael Green :Okay. Ken, your choices.
Ken Tabacchi :This was hard for me but I chose Josh Brolin and Tommy Jones
Michael Green :because the men in black three, huh? No, wasn't based on the the country boy demeanor.
Ken Tabacchi :Yeah, those two guys, you know, played opposite in No Country for Old Men. So I have to ask myself, could they be swapped in that movie? I would have to say yes. So therefore, I chose them.
Michael Green :That's a good choice. I mean the features I mean another like, what, 20 years apart 25 years apart, but the features the country boy demeanor and
Ken Tabacchi :stoic cowboy,
Michael Green :and Josh Brolin is a pretty good impressionist himself when he did men and black. Three. He was doing a perfect Tommy Lee Jones.
Ken Tabacchi :No, but I hadn't even thought of Men in Black three, but I guess someone else was thinking the same way.
Michael Green :Now, that's a good choice. The demeanor itself though. So if we place ourselves in, in the minds of people who are not exactly big movie people say, Oh, wait a minute. That's Tommy Lee Jones. No, it's James Brolin, or just
Ken Tabacchi :seems wrong.
Michael Green :It was funny. I was watching Amityville Horror and James burns in it. He looks like Andy gib With the hair and the beard, and I just kept it oh my gosh, Tandy him.
Ken Tabacchi :Did you see Josh Brolin in sicario? Yes. He's like a flip flop wearing. FBI agent.
Michael Green :Yeah, a little bit of a little shades of the dude.
Ken Tabacchi :Not my favorite movie but did like his performance. I actually watched it simply because Josh Brolin and Benicio del Toro,
Unknown Speaker :Toro
Ken Tabacchi :Vinci a little Toro? Yeah, I watched sicario simply because of those two guys.
Michael Green :I like his performance on that. He's He's great. Did you watch him both
Ken Tabacchi :the sequel now now because I, it was the sequel better.
Michael Green :There's some terrifying moments in that. I just couldn't believe it, but plausible. And there's a third, there's a third one in the works, because it's super wide open, wide open at the end and I will say no more,
Ken Tabacchi :I felt was very predictable and tropi
Michael Green :Thanks. So the first one will check out the second one.
Ken Tabacchi :You know at the beginning I was went oh bombs gonna go off and I said that yeah bombs gonna go off pretty soon
Michael Green :and they did and the music cues it. Okay, next segment
Unknown Speaker :on muzzin cabinets katha.
Michael Green :All right, my man. So this is Ken's chasms. Next week we'll have Mike's models. And then eventually when Shawn gets on here we'll have Sean's a business don't have to go into detail. Can you just have to say yea or nay or yes or no or haven't seen it? seen it? Whatever you like. Okay, number one. Have you seen the freshmen 1990 with Marlon Brando and Matthew Broderick,
Ken Tabacchi :have not seen it.
Michael Green :Number two cries and whispers Thank you 70 I have not seen it. Directed by the the one and only Ingmar
Ken Tabacchi :Bergman. Oh I love her and Bergman movies so he's going to list my list is about 1000 movies long. Three Ishtar
Michael Green :1987. No. For Strange Days 1995 no five quiz show with Ray finds directed by Robert Redford in 1994. No reversal of fortune. Ron silver Jeremy Irons. No. Okay, I'm probably gonna get killed when you give me a list Ken, you're gonna give me a list of really obscure like Samurai movies. I'm going to be killed by
Ken Tabacchi :Mike's chasms come number seven school ties.
Michael Green :Now, number eight the verdict. 1982 Paul Newman.
Ken Tabacchi :Ah. Maybe I recognize
Michael Green :Sidney Lumet ambulance chaser Paul Newman.
Ken Tabacchi :I don't think so.
Michael Green :Number nine. This is somewhat I wouldn't say obscure but In the older failsafe 1964, Henry Fonda Walter Matthau technical malfunction, sends American planes to Moscow to deliver a nuclear attack
Ken Tabacchi :sounds like Dr. Strangelove. I liked it the first time was Dr. Strangelove But no,
Michael Green :which was 1964 and Strangelove was 67.
Ken Tabacchi :Yeah, I think so.
Michael Green :Number 10. Seven days in May, with Burt Lancaster Kirk Douglas, written by Rod Serling directed by john Frankenheimer. No, you got 10 movies, dad. But yeah, but Ishtar I have not seen so I'm gonna. I'm gonna be very transparent. I have not seen Ishtar, but I've read so much about it, about it being one of the worst movies ever made, not even in a good way so I avoided it altogether.
Ken Tabacchi :Next time I'll come up with a list for you
Michael Green :Yes, indeed. So this last segment is the Siskel and Ebert balcony archives. Lee has
Unknown Speaker :made a great film one of the most absorbing, entertaining and challenging biographies. I think he tells
Michael Green :the story. And what I'm going to do is, I'm going to choose a movie, beginning in 1966, which was the year that Ebert began his writing, writing career as a critic for the Chicago Sun Times Sunday magazine. And Ken chose DAGMAR Bergman's persona. And where are they going to read a clip or a segment from his review universe review, or play an audio clip, if available? So this week we're going to play or we're going to read a segment from his movie review
Ken Tabacchi :1966 persona by Ingmar Bergman sweet. I look forward to hearing this
Michael Green :event starts off with persona is a film we returned to over the years for the Beauty of its images and because we hope to understand its mysteries is apparently not a difficult film. Everything that happens is perfectly clear. And even the dream sequences are clear as dreams. But it suggests berry truths. And we despair of finding them. persona was one of the first movies I reviewed in 1967. I did not think I understood it a third of a century later, I know most of what I am ever likely to know about films. And I think I understand that the best approach to persona is a literal one. Feedback couldn't Wow,
Ken Tabacchi :it was great. Does it have shelf life? Oh, hell yeah. You can even put that at the top of your top of your queue. That is a movie that I watched and then watched again the very next day, because I'm like, this is something significant and I know what I'm missing it. But I need to see this again. And I watched it closely and details you know, looking for clues. Live woman's performance she she has how many lines? One line two lines.
Michael Green :I haven't seen it but it was highlighted in the the Odyssey 10 you haven't seen it parter?
Ken Tabacchi :No, I haven't seen Oh my god, and you're kind of a bereavement fam. Yeah,
Michael Green :I want to say that I'm a fan after watching at least 90% of directors filmography I've only seen cries and whispers and
Ken Tabacchi :he's somebody I want to go through his entire catalogue,
Michael Green :but cries and whispers was haunting to me. So I would like to see this. Well, I won't spoil it but
Ken Tabacchi :yeah, go see it Liv Ullman plays a girl, an actress who's just decided to stop speaking and her performance is amazing. She barely speaks for the whole movie. It's all with her eyes.
Michael Green :Did you watch it the next day because of the some obscurity or because just
Ken Tabacchi :yeah, it's obscure. It's got a hate to say David Lynchian because Bergman precedes him but kind of a David Lynchian, Kubrickian what the hell just happened? Okay, I got it kind of thing, you know, and you have to watch again. It's late. It's nonlinear. And there's there's clues. What part is real? What part is a dream? What part is in someone's mind? So you have to be. It's not for everyone, you have to be a kind of a patient movie watcher. And there's a scene up front. There's a scene, there's a bunch of flashes of things on the screen, and we'll get a kick out of that. I'll say, and we'll spoil it for you. We need to talk about that movie, and specifically in a podcast just dedicated to it after you've seen it and why it's called persona.
Michael Green :I am completely open to that. Your miniseries idea is great. Looking forward to that. Cool. All right, Cam. Well, that pretty much wraps it up. And I enjoyed all these segments. Let's see which one holds water after listeners put in their two bits.
Ken Tabacchi :Yeah, great to be here. It was fun.
Michael Green :All right. Well, until next time, I'll be safe social distance and everyone One
Ken Tabacchi :keep far away from me.
Michael Green :And next time Ken, please wear pants to the podcast.